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Post by kneazle on Apr 26, 2024 4:33:26 GMT -5
I met his widow and she was a lovely woman.
What came next wasn't great but greatly impacted by Muldoon bankrupting the country.
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Post by Queen on Apr 26, 2024 5:36:15 GMT -5
Thea Muldoon?
Yes I've met her too, but as a child so I think my impression was "oh, adult".
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Post by kneazle on Apr 26, 2024 6:33:08 GMT -5
Yes Thea Muldoon - she was the patron of a group my mum belonged to and I met her in my early 20s when I was well aware of her husband's legacy.
Of course his successors wife had the same name as me.
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Post by sprite on Apr 26, 2024 7:59:07 GMT -5
I would love to say that a Labour gov't would immediately revoke the legislation, but I am pretty sure it'll just be 'something we'll do later when we get our other priorities sorted' and we'll be stuck with it.
This has been one of the few times I've genuinely felt the House of Lords were earning their salaries.
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Post by Queen on Apr 27, 2024 5:35:35 GMT -5
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 27, 2024 6:08:39 GMT -5
Not surprised - the conservatives here are all idiots too
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Post by romily on Apr 27, 2024 7:31:13 GMT -5
Speechless - but not surprised.
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Post by Queen on Apr 27, 2024 8:00:18 GMT -5
All he had to do was listen to the fucking question.
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Post by romily on Apr 27, 2024 12:06:13 GMT -5
Since when does a Tory listen to anybody... Loved the breaking news that a Tory MP defected to labour today because "he could no longer look his NHS colleagues and patients in the eye and stay on as a Conservative". Just brilliant. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68913287 |
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Post by Queen on Apr 27, 2024 12:14:24 GMT -5
Let's hope he starts a trend...
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 27, 2024 13:18:50 GMT -5
Great news about the Tory defection! Wish that would happen here, but the Republicans are all cult members now.
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Post by kneazle on Apr 27, 2024 20:25:46 GMT -5
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Post by Queen on Apr 28, 2024 5:14:43 GMT -5
I'm sick of the f-word. People keep trying to use it for any ideology they don't like when it's more about the form of government rather than the policies and we can just say "totalitarian assholery" and be done. |
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 28, 2024 6:43:01 GMT -5
An interesting point - my history professor friend says the same thing. I don't think it's too much of a stretch for DJT, though.
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Post by Queen on Apr 28, 2024 16:06:45 GMT -5
He is certainly strongly authoritarian...
I can't decide if it's fascism or a cult.
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 28, 2024 16:13:23 GMT -5
Why not both?
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Post by Queen on Apr 28, 2024 16:33:27 GMT -5
Cults always have an authoritarian leadership, but not all authoritarian leaders lead cults.
There's certainly a "cult of personality" hanging around DJT, but does it rise to the level of a cult?? I dunno, cult is another word that gets over used in these discussions.
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Post by ozziegiraffe on Apr 28, 2024 17:57:22 GMT -5
I’ve seen articles about the word “evangelical” becoming secularised when used to describe the orange menace and his followers. the orange menace certainly couldn’t be described as a Christian, even an extreme right wing evangelical Christian!
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 28, 2024 17:59:29 GMT -5
Fair. It probably doesn't rise entirely to the level of "cult" either, because there isn't any punishment associated with leaving... but to me it's nearly equivalent since once people are in there, there's no criticism at all: the Kool-aid has been consumed.
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Post by Queen on Apr 29, 2024 2:36:48 GMT -5
I’ve seen articles about the word “evangelical” becoming secularised when used to describe the orange menace and his followers. the orange menace certainly couldn’t be described as a Christian, even an extreme right wing evangelical Christian! And yet, extreme right-wing evangelical Christians support him. Because he opposes abortion, and delivers results on that they are willing to ignore all the rest. There's also a wide streak of misogyny at play - there is no way a woman with five children by three different fathers would win any election they could vote in. |
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 29, 2024 6:08:12 GMT -5
These folks believe that he had a conversion experience, and that God picked him to lead them! And he's happy to let them continue believing that. He's selling Bibles now.
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Post by ozziegiraffe on Apr 29, 2024 6:32:14 GMT -5
King James bibles. Beloved of the extreme right wing, but the least accurate translation available today.
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Post by sprite on Apr 29, 2024 9:22:54 GMT -5
Oh, no it isn't! Catholics were involved in those other translations, and therefore they cannot be trusted!
(sigh)
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Post by Queen on Apr 29, 2024 10:19:09 GMT -5
It's the bible with the constitution in it... including the bit where it says "don't start with a state religion".
If you'd written this in a novel 10 years ago noone would have believed it.
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Post by sprite on Apr 29, 2024 11:18:08 GMT -5
To be fair, someone did write it 40 years ago, and no one believed it then.  It's the doublethink that drives me nuts. "We demand the freedom to worship how we like even if it hurts other people! Also, we demand that everyone's kids be forced to pray to our deity! We're a free country, not like Afghanistan (where everyone is forced to pray to a deity they may, or may not, believe in). Also we think Putin is a great example of a leader (even if he is putting people in jail who worship like we do)." |
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 29, 2024 12:33:11 GMT -5
Yup. A good summary there
Anyway, sorry to derail the conversation— as I recall, we were criticizing the *UK* govt in this thread
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Post by HalcyonDaze on Apr 29, 2024 17:02:34 GMT -5
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Post by romily on Apr 30, 2024 1:39:18 GMT -5
Go ahead and critisise all governments - I loved sprites summary of the US.
On a car facebook page I am a member off somebody posted a picture of a c=kitten that they named Mr the orange menace - the shitshow of comments was astonishing.
From - poor kitten how can you name him after this evil man to - Biden is the anti christ - the orange menace will make America great again all the way to "the orange menace was send to earth by god himself to save us from evil".
I know there were nutters out there but would not have expected them on a bloody cat facebook page.
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Post by romily on Apr 30, 2024 1:56:49 GMT -5
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Post by jimm on Apr 30, 2024 4:53:39 GMT -5
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