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Post by fishface on Mar 31, 2024 21:57:09 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be funny but it is somewhat appropriate that Australia would have a debate about the word jail/gaol.
I like the description I saw online that it has been fossilised in the name of other jails that have retained the 'gaol' spelling.
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Post by wombatrois on Mar 31, 2024 23:20:35 GMT -5
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Post by Queen on Apr 1, 2024 4:01:43 GMT -5
Reading Gaol is now HM Prison Reading... but Kilmainham Gaol (now a museum) still uses that spelling.
Apparently the form for UK is now HM Prison [local name] and in Ireland Prison [local name] , so don't bother using gaol or jail.
The US apparently uses jail for temporary holding of person prior to trial, and where you go if you can't raise bail. Prison is where you go after sentencing. I think the UK just says "held in detention" but that's based on binge watching true crimes series.
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Post by Queen on Apr 1, 2024 4:03:33 GMT -5
Also spell check in this browser is US English and it thinks that Gaol is not a word, but it definitely is
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Post by ozziegiraffe on Apr 1, 2024 4:22:12 GMT -5
It is still sulphur in British English, according to Wikipedia. Why would anyone change it?
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 1, 2024 5:32:20 GMT -5
I think American spelling defaults to as few letters as possible. S fw lttrs s pssbl
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Post by lillielangtry on Apr 1, 2024 5:32:42 GMT -5
Reading Gaol is now HM Prison Reading... but Kilmainham Gaol (now a museum) still uses that spelling. Apparently the form for UK is now HM Prison [local name] and in Ireland Prison [local name] , so don't bother using gaol or jail. The US apparently uses jail for temporary holding of person prior to trial, and where you go if you can't raise bail. Prison is where you go after sentencing. I think the UK just says "held in detention" but that's based on binge watching true crimes series. I'd say "on remand" for being held prior to trial. Yes, we don't distinguish between jail and prison like the US does. A good friend of mine works in the prison service and I'm not sure I've ever heard her use the word jail.
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Post by HalcyonDaze on Apr 1, 2024 5:32:48 GMT -5
Reading Gaol is now HM Prison Reading... but Kilmainham Gaol (now a museum) still uses that spelling. Apparently the form for UK is now HM Prison [local name] and in Ireland Prison [local name] , so don't bother using gaol or jail. The US apparently uses jail for temporary holding of person prior to trial, and where you go if you can't raise bail. Prison is where you go after sentencing. I think the UK just says "held in detention" but that's based on binge watching true crimes series. Here they now seemed to be termed correctional centres or correctional complex. Years ago, Clipper and I went to a music festival named 'Great Escape', and it was held in a big parkland area next to Silverwater Correctional Complex (but everyone does still call it jail)
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 1, 2024 5:36:12 GMT -5
"Silverware"? That sounds like a place where you send misbehaving forks and knives.
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Post by HalcyonDaze on Apr 1, 2024 5:54:39 GMT -5
"Silverware"? That sounds like a place where you send misbehaving forks and knives. Ha, was an auto correct fail. It is actually Silverwater
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Post by fishface on Apr 1, 2024 5:57:08 GMT -5
Reading Gaol is now HM Prison Reading... but Kilmainham Gaol (now a museum) still uses that spelling. Apparently the form for UK is now HM Prison [local name] and in Ireland Prison [local name] , so don't bother using gaol or jail. The US apparently uses jail for temporary holding of person prior to trial, and where you go if you can't raise bail. Prison is where you go after sentencing. I think the UK just says "held in detention" but that's based on binge watching true crimes series. I'd say "on remand" for being held prior to trial. Yes, we don't distinguish between jail and prison like the US does. A good friend of mine works in the prison service and I'm not sure I've ever heard her use the word jail. I would expect to use on remand in this circumstance too. I've seen arguments online related to the difference between jail and prison. In fact on the other site I know a few of us are on, one person spoke of having been in jail but never prison. I think it was his posts that made me realise there was a difference in some Englishes.
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 1, 2024 6:05:51 GMT -5
lol I wasn't thinking of autocorrect, just like "oh those crazy Australian place names"
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Post by Queen on Apr 1, 2024 7:44:48 GMT -5
Ah yes "on remand", that's it, I had forgotten - Not having spent much time in the judicial system I think it comes up in US terminology as well according to Olivia Benson. (If I'm ever naming cats again Olivia Benson is on the list)
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Post by shilgia on Apr 1, 2024 10:31:04 GMT -5
"On remand" in the US refers to a situation where a case is sent back to a lower court after being reversed on appeal. ("The trial court held X. The appellate court reversed. On remand, the court held Y.") It doesn't refer to a carceral situation.
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Post by lillielangtry on Apr 1, 2024 10:43:56 GMT -5
"On remand" in the US refers to a situation where a case is sent back to a lower court after being reversed on appeal. ("The trial court held X. The appellate court reversed. On remand, the court held Y.") It doesn't refer to a carceral situation. Oh that could be really misleading, couldn't it? Separated by a common language!
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 1, 2024 11:21:10 GMT -5
Thank you Shilgia — I really should understand the lingo of my country’s legal system and yet do not
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Post by Phar Lap on Apr 1, 2024 11:52:49 GMT -5
OMG We are doomed! Doomed I tell ya! I typed sulphur on the keyboard and what came up? Sulfur! Bloody Sulfur! No, no, no, no, no! Scrolling down to the fifth entry is: Is sulphur and sulfur the same? Sulfur has been the preferred spelling of the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) since 1990, and is the default form employed by many scientific journals 1. The alternative spelling sulphur may still be found in common use in the UK and Commonwealth, especially by laypeople.15 Mar 2019 radiopaedia.org › articles › s... Sulfur vs sulphur | Radiology Reference Article | Radiopaedia.org
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Post by sprite on Apr 1, 2024 12:34:37 GMT -5
I think American spelling defaults to as few letters as possible. S fw lttrs s pssbl I'm sure I read someone scholarly pointing out that a lot of American spellings were, in fact, the original spellings, and it was British English that changed. This gives me all the happy smugs.
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 1, 2024 13:36:30 GMT -5
Ha!! Indeed. Enough of that fancy Euro-spelling
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Post by jimm on Apr 1, 2024 16:35:26 GMT -5
I can't convince this forum to use GB spelling. My browser is set to English (GB). I'm trying again just now.
Edit after testing: Using MS Edge browser no correction is suggested for 'sulphur'. Switching back to my usual browser Librewolf (a Firefox variant with built in ad blocking) - it wants to correct 'sulphur' although the browser is set to Eng (GB). Should post this in 'First World Problems'.
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Post by ozziegiraffe on Apr 1, 2024 17:46:59 GMT -5
Next time I see my friend who is a current high school science teacher, I’ll ask her how she spells sulphur. ( and autocorrect didn’t try to change my spelling).
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Post by wombatrois on Apr 1, 2024 18:08:21 GMT -5
A random survey of one (J) found that they had never seen the spelling sulfur :-D
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Post by Liiisa on Apr 1, 2024 18:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by HalcyonDaze on Apr 2, 2024 2:38:41 GMT -5
A random survey of one (J) found that they had never seen the spelling sulfur :-D Random survey of teenager, studying science at school. Sulphur
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Post by Queen on Apr 2, 2024 2:51:13 GMT -5
We may need to establish a definition of random
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Post by HalcyonDaze on Apr 2, 2024 3:37:18 GMT -5
Heh.
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Post by vinnyd on Apr 2, 2024 10:01:01 GMT -5
I don't think that most USAnians distinguish between jail and prison in colloquial speech.
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Post by sprite on Apr 2, 2024 12:02:18 GMT -5
I know I never did until a student asked and we looked it up.
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