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Post by groo on Feb 8, 2024 16:15:21 GMT -5
When even Barry Goldwater was appalled ...
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Post by lisamnz on Feb 8, 2024 16:36:25 GMT -5
Does that really surprise you?? You come across to me as leaning quite strongly to the conservative side politically, and so I'm not surprised that people around you do too? Maybe, but Australian conservatives, not American consertives. Maybe you are more conservative than you realised? But Q also has a good point. *WAVES, me, right here*
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Post by kneazle on Feb 8, 2024 16:40:55 GMT -5
I remember reading last time he was elected that some people are single issue voters on things like guns or abortion and so they might be in a marginalised group that he's very obviously against but will vote for him because he says he supports their view on things
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Post by tzarine on Feb 8, 2024 18:11:50 GMT -5
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Post by Liiisa on Feb 8, 2024 18:17:28 GMT -5
OTC PrEP - ! that's amazing
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Post by groo on Feb 8, 2024 18:22:42 GMT -5
single issue voters puzzle me Especially in the US, where your vote exhausts after it's been allocated. At least with preferential voting it'll move on to your next choice and so down.
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Post by Liiisa on Feb 8, 2024 18:33:24 GMT -5
There's ranked choice voting here in a couple places (Maine, and - hmm). It would be great if it were more pervasive.
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Post by lisamnz on Feb 8, 2024 18:39:12 GMT -5
hey, we can't even get single transferable vote through here for local government elections. Well done to Maine and wherever hmmmm is!
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Post by tzarine on Feb 8, 2024 19:16:10 GMT -5
There's ranked choice voting here in a couple places (Maine, and - hmm). It would be great if it were more pervasive. the nyc mayoral election was ranked we got an incompetent corrupt idiot fool - adams
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Post by groo on Feb 8, 2024 19:30:19 GMT -5
Yes. It can go that way. In our senate we got a dullard named Ralph Babet, a lickspittle stooge of a mining billionnaire, but generally your vote will hit paydirt with one of the major parties or an acceptable independent (like the Teals, like Tony Windsor, like that bloke from Port Macquarie).
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Post by kneazle on Feb 8, 2024 20:58:54 GMT -5
Any system can get you a dud mayor - Auckland's Wayne Brown is a good example.
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Post by Liiisa on Feb 8, 2024 21:09:20 GMT -5
There's ranked choice voting here in a couple places (Maine, and - hmm). It would be great if it were more pervasive. the nyc mayoral election was ranked we got an incompetent corrupt idiot fool - adams Ah yes, good point. I think there's something in NYC's DNA that requires you to elect an idiot cop every decade or so (see: Giuliani)
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Post by kneazle on Feb 8, 2024 21:20:56 GMT -5
I think there's something in NYC's DNA that requires you to elect an idiot cop every decade or so (see: Giuliani) It's a bit like how Russia always seems to fall back into authoritarianism - no matter the structure.
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Post by Q-pee on Feb 9, 2024 3:35:40 GMT -5
Like him, loathe him - it all depends what's in your news feed and what's been suppressed. The more you know the less you like. I dunno, he gave off creepy uncle vibes first time I saw him on the Apprentice. But if someone still likes him at this point my working assumption is that they are amoral.
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Post by Liiisa on Feb 9, 2024 6:42:37 GMT -5
I've always thought he was a nouveau riche mobster-wannnabe creep. All that gold crap in his apartment and Russian girlfriends and whatnot. You couldn't have paid me to watch "The Apprentice."
well ok I suppose if you paid me ENOUGH
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Post by Q-pee on Feb 9, 2024 7:53:06 GMT -5
I was only vaguely aware of him, he turned up in the social events pages of magazines occasionally. I didn't really pay attention. I knew he was on the US apprentice but it wasn't on tv here... then when he started to run for politics by reenacting an episode of Simpsons I severely underestimated him... or maybe over estimated the US people. (Clearly spent too much time with the smart ones)
Only then started to learn more about him... pretty much none of it is good.
He's a walking bag of narcissism.
He's not really a conservative, he's just flying that flag because it works for him.
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Post by Q-pee on Feb 9, 2024 9:37:53 GMT -5
Oh, and at some point I watched an episode of the US Apprentice out of curiosity. The episode also featured Eric and Ivanka.
Of the three Ivanka seemed the smartest... but oh boy...
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Post by sprite on Feb 9, 2024 15:13:10 GMT -5
Does that really surprise you?? You come across to me as leaning quite strongly to the conservative side politically, and so I'm not surprised that people around you do too? Maybe, but Australian conservatives, not American consertives. If you start looking, you'll notice that a lot of the jokes/stories/memes/talking points among Australian conservatives have got a very American flavour. I see this with Canadian family members who are suddenly sharing stuff about guns rights, which has never been a big issue in Canada--but they are politically, socially, and religiously conservative, so the social media feeds give them American stuff.
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Post by Liiisa on Feb 9, 2024 15:37:17 GMT -5
I apologize for the country in general
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Post by tzarine on Feb 9, 2024 15:44:08 GMT -5
liisa as i tell people, we are not our government there are plenty of local people doing good stuff
& there is still opportunity here talked to a young russian who is so glad he's not in moscow where he'd be conscripted!
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Post by kneazle on Feb 9, 2024 19:08:06 GMT -5
I severely underestimated him... or maybe over estimated the US people. (Clearly spent too much time with the smart ones) Ha! That reminds me I was shocked when Bush was re-elected because all the Americans on TTWT were against him. But they were smart well educated and well traveled and not necessarily representative.
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Post by Liiisa on Feb 9, 2024 19:32:13 GMT -5
And Bush seems like such a reasonable guy now! Heck, even Reagan... nah, I still hate Reagan
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Post by Q-pee on Feb 10, 2024 3:15:19 GMT -5
Reagan had policies though, and behaved as a politician. Same with Bush the Younger (Mum used to call him Shrub).
So even though I wasn't keen on their politics they were recognisably politicians. This guy?
His policies are just what serves him, the statements are whatever serves him - with no regard to the impact of his words or the truthiness of them.
He's not even evil - because that would be an intent outside his own self. He has the mentality of a very nasty egotistical teenager and I think noone ever corrected his behaviour.
And people want to have him back in one of the most powerful roles in the world. It's astonishing.
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Post by tzarine on Feb 10, 2024 3:24:25 GMT -5
Reagan had policies though, and behaved as a politician. Same with Bush the Younger (Mum used to call him Shrub). So even though I wasn't keen on their politics they were recognisably politicians. This guy? His policies are just what serves him, the statements are whatever serves him - with no regard to the impact of his words or the truthiness of them. He's not even evil - because that would be an intent outside his own self. He has the mentality of a very nasty egotistical teenager and I think noone ever corrected his behaviour. And people want to have him back in one of the most powerful roles in the world. It's astonishing. true the orange menace is a comical yet dangerous figure. he ran a reality show & sold a lotta crap. now he's playing into several resonant issues, the borders, the enemies abroad. i remember hearing voters saying they liked reagan cause he was reassuring. bush played the good old boy. dont get me started on princess ivanka
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Post by Q-pee on Feb 10, 2024 3:28:04 GMT -5
She sat at the table with Angela Merkel and Christine Lagarde as if she were their equal.
I'm still not over it.
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Post by tzarine on Feb 10, 2024 3:31:01 GMT -5
She sat at the table with Angela Merkel and Christine Lagarde as if she were their equal. I'm still not over it. an idiot cosplaying world leader
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Post by ozziegiraffe on Feb 10, 2024 7:05:25 GMT -5
Maybe, but Australian conservatives, not American consertives. If you start looking, you'll notice that a lot of the jokes/stories/memes/talking points among Australian conservatives have got a very American flavour. I see this with Canadian family members who are suddenly sharing stuff about guns rights, which has never been a big issue in Canada--but they are politically, socially, and religiously conservative, so the social media feeds give them American stuff. I had a 6-year-old who lives in a very alternate community tell me the other day that he thought everybody would be safer if they carried guns! He has very little supervision at home.
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Post by Liiisa on Feb 10, 2024 7:54:17 GMT -5
Q-pee you're right of course (I just still have this Attitude about Reagan) He did get sent to military school, which is generally a sign of "I think my kid is an asshole," but whatever it was supposed to do didn't take.
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Post by psw on Feb 10, 2024 9:24:35 GMT -5
"Shrub" comes from Molly Ivins. I miss her.
She was an author and newspaper columnist from Texas who needled the Texas politicians and other deserving souls, and wrote phenomenal books on current affairs, including one titled Bushwhacked.
As to whether the Tangerine Toddler is evil: well, one of his major motivators is revenge, including the destruction of anyone who thwarts him, so there's evil in there somewhere.
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Post by tzarine on Feb 10, 2024 12:15:35 GMT -5
Q-pee you're right of course (I just still have this Attitude about Reagan) He did get sent to military school, which is generally a sign of "I think my kid is an asshole," but whatever it was supposed to do didn't take. some our fam friends sent their kid to military school. he needed the structure & the discipline back to the orange menace scary buts he's energetic & charismatic to his followers. also this stuff coming out bout joe being old isnt helping & kamala is not exactly popular as heir apparent go gretchen go!
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