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Post by Webs on Nov 19, 2017 22:39:40 GMT -5
My boss puts those in her aroma therapy thingy. They smell nice.
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Post by sprite on Nov 20, 2017 4:23:17 GMT -5
It's the doTerra oils that bug me at the moment. Sure, they smell nice but they aren't going to cure things and so aren't worth the mega bucks. And the whole 'add them to your food' bit seems wrong. Also, it is another MLM company, so that puts me off - surely if it was that good and that healing it wouldn't need MLM to sell? Oh yes, I got some of those oils as presents from someone who was doing that. I smeared the stress-relief one onto some mosquito bites and they quit itching, so that's something, though of course correlation does not imply causation. i once gave some of my boarders cankersore gel for their mosquito bites. they reported back that it worked very nicely.
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Post by sprite on Nov 20, 2017 4:37:14 GMT -5
a medical tv show here does little experiments to test out/demonstrate various new theories, or compare weight loss programs. they did one with probiotics which was interesting, showing that quite a few foods are marketed with probiotics, but these don't survive the stomach, and therefore don't give any benefit to the gut. (they also did one with antioxidants, which showed that loaded your diet with antioxidants makes very little different to how much of them actually get into the bloodstream.) Your stomach is essentially an acid bath. The pH is about 2.5, and it's full of Hydro-chloric acid, which is why your throat burns when you throw up. It's designed to break stuff down. Of course it breaks down "Pro Biotics" it's meant to. yes, but certain bacteria do survive the acid bath, and the evidence is increasingly showing that an imbalance in this intestinal bacteria can hinder body functions. i'm not sure on the evidence, for example, that gut health influences autism, but it does seem to be important for the immune system and also affects weight gain/loss. eating more fibre and homemade fermented foods can help maintain that bacteria population. it's a real shame i hate kimchi and saurkraut. trust me, i'm a doctor. (not me! it's a tv show!)
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Post by ozziegiraffe on Nov 20, 2017 4:49:31 GMT -5
Most products bought from MLM businesses have similar ones available cheaper at the shops. Interestingly, my friends who are involved in those businesses are all struggling financially.
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Post by sprite on Nov 20, 2017 6:27:07 GMT -5
somewhere i saw a good article about how MLM often target women, and in north america, christian women. it's marketed as an empowering thing to do in one's spare time, not getting in the way of wifely/motherly duties, but also providing a bit of extra income for the family (again without stepping on hubby's toes, persumably).
i have a friend who took a year off work to look after the kids while his wife got going with Herbalife. they're often on facebook showing pictures of her (or them) going off to conferences, winning holidays as a sales reward. the optimism is relentless. she's doing well, but she is young, articulate, and gorgeous.
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Post by Liiisa on Nov 20, 2017 12:00:58 GMT -5
Ugh sprite, I really cannot imagine the level of destitution that woulld drive me to doing one of those things - to me it sounds like absolute hell.
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Post by tinaja on Nov 20, 2017 13:40:58 GMT -5
What is that?
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Post by Phar Lap on Nov 20, 2017 14:08:26 GMT -5
Multilevel-marketing. Example - Avon, LuLaRoe. ETA: Think direct sales, where there isn't actually a bricks and mortar shop, but ladies doing party plans etc to sell the products. Tupperware and Avon were probably some of the first.
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Quackery
Nov 20, 2017 14:47:29 GMT -5
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Post by shilgia on Nov 20, 2017 14:47:29 GMT -5
A high-school classmate is affiliated with Herbalife and I don’t really understand why. She’s very accomplished, as an artist, teacher, and (because she enjoys it) gym instructor. Basically she’s just very smart and has become successful in anything she has set out to do. For many years she worked as a high-school art teacher while making her own art part time and teaching some gym classes on the side. Then a few years ago she decided to start a side business in helping people achieve their health goals - by coaching them on their training and their diet. She now has a few “coachees” who have become successful in bikini competions and that kind of thing. Anyway, as part of setting up this health/fitness coaching business, she did some Herbalife training, and she occasionally mentions them. I’m not sure she actually sells Herbalife stuff pyramid style, but when Herbalife has a completion or opens new courses for enrollment, she might mention it on her social media.
It’s weird to me, because otherwise her health blog is all smart stuff. No thoughtless repetition of nonsense about “toxins” and the like, just science-based health advice. So why Herbalife?
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Post by sprite on Nov 20, 2017 15:21:07 GMT -5
i'm too lazy to look it up, i assumed it was some sort of fibre + vitamins stuff.
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Post by Webs on Nov 20, 2017 16:13:37 GMT -5
My Brother tried to sell Shaklee. Then he realized that everyone he knew was too poor to afford that stuff, and their friends were too poor to sell to, and so on and so on...
I had to explain that it was a pyramid thing and only the people at the tippy top got anything really good.
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Post by tinaja on Nov 20, 2017 16:37:26 GMT -5
I f-ing hate the pyramid scheme sales. I still recall a neighbor at the old place coming by to visit. She was from down south and was complaining about how unfriendly people were in my area. Then proceeds to try to hawk Mary Kaye makeup--I was less than interested. She never spoke to me again.
Happened another time when a friend had a Christmas party planned and at the last minute told us that it was a MK party. I didn't go. That was probably the last time I was at her house.
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Post by HalcyonDaze on Nov 20, 2017 18:04:11 GMT -5
Rodan and Fields has just launched in Australia. So it is turning up on my feed more and more - very annoying.
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Post by tzarine on Nov 20, 2017 18:21:05 GMT -5
i like the way citrus/neroli smells but the aromatherapy people tell me it's an anti depressant. so what is the smell of baking bread.
sprite, i also hate sauerkraut
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Quackery
Nov 21, 2017 0:23:20 GMT -5
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Post by fishface on Nov 21, 2017 0:23:20 GMT -5
Gah a former colleague is super into herballife. She puts her weightloss down to that...thing is she goes to the gym regularly and eats much more healthier than she ever did. I can't help but think perhaps that had a bigger impact.
Fwiw a chiropractor is required to have about five years of study here (intro science and then bachelor's degree) plus ongoing practice. Not saying it's not a self licking lollipop (the chiropractic college itself offers the course) but it is a bachelor's degree course.
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Quackery
Nov 21, 2017 0:24:35 GMT -5
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Post by fishface on Nov 21, 2017 0:24:35 GMT -5
Bachelor of back cracking with a minor in woo woo.
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Post by groo on Nov 21, 2017 0:46:05 GMT -5
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Quackery
Nov 21, 2017 2:44:21 GMT -5
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Post by tucano on Nov 21, 2017 2:44:21 GMT -5
There's a local fitness studio here where they are really into Herbalife. It's a little evangelical for me.
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Post by sprite on Nov 21, 2017 4:07:45 GMT -5
i like mary kaye and avon and even amway products. i just don't like the feeling of, 'if you don't buy anything, your friend won't get any money.'
years ago, in a korean bath, i saw a woman covered in horrible marks. i wondered what sort of abuse she was getting, and how she could look so relaxed and happy! i eventually worked out she was having 'cupping' done, and it was the suction marks.
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Post by HalcyonDaze on Nov 21, 2017 4:42:56 GMT -5
You could see it on the swimmers at the last Olympics. Which I found interesting. They must think it helps the muscles or something?
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Post by fishface on Nov 21, 2017 6:04:21 GMT -5
I am currently stuck.
Back spasm and I can't move to turn the light off or plug my phone.
At the moment I would be happy if a reiki-loving homeopathic naturopath came by with some magic fucking beans.
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Post by sprite on Nov 21, 2017 16:05:53 GMT -5
i hear there's a thing with heated coffee beans as a massage?
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Post by HalcyonDaze on Nov 21, 2017 20:21:27 GMT -5
why? I've had heated stones - that was super relaxing. Again, I was there for pampering and relaxation and wasn't interested in any 'healing'. I don't think they were magic healing stones either.
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Post by tzarine on Nov 21, 2017 22:10:45 GMT -5
the stones provide warmth not any "healing" a soak in an onsen works as well
i can't stand it when people say "crystal healing" it's a stone i have earrings made of crystal
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Post by Webs on Nov 21, 2017 22:37:19 GMT -5
I drink out of crystal
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Post by sprite on Nov 22, 2017 5:08:32 GMT -5
i wish i could afford to drink Cristal.
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Post by romily on Nov 22, 2017 11:31:59 GMT -5
heat relaxes muscles - simples.
A woman who also volunteers at the same cat charity as I do and is a lovely lovely person is into reiki - she practices "angelic reiki", you know, the one where angles heal through her. Let's just say certain subjects are being avoided when I talk / chat to her, and if she sends me healing energy I just say "thank you" (she doen'st talk about it much).
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Post by fishface on Nov 23, 2017 4:24:58 GMT -5
My colleague use to get sent reiki in the mail.
It was actually quite funny. Her mum sent her empty envelopes. Empty envelopes full of reiki. From England. To New Zealand.
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Post by sprite on Nov 23, 2017 4:55:40 GMT -5
i would love to know what value she declared on the customs sticker.
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Post by Liiisa on Nov 23, 2017 7:30:43 GMT -5
My colleague use to get sent reiki in the mail. It was actually quite funny. Her mum sent her empty envelopes. Empty envelopes full of reiki. From England. To New Zealand. Goofy. I bet some of it leaked out and accidentally healed a couple of postal employees. I had reflexology when I was in India - this French woman did some kind of massage to find "crystals" (?) in my feet and then made me a little map of my feet telling me which parts of my feet represented which organ systems, and therefore something something which I now forget. OK, sure.
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